Xant., s.a. 867, 25; Regino, Chronicon, s.a. 867,
Robert s.a. 821, 156]. one of the other pagi (Merlet suggests Angers) [Merlet
Ann. Altet, eds., Le roi de France et son royaume autour de l'an
Robert's wife (or wives) cannot be
to royal blood [" qui ab stirpe regia existens
wife: Agane, daughter of Wicfrid, count of Bourges,
a large number of marginal additions, of which most of the
Appointed by Odo ruler of several counties, including the county of Paris, and abbot in commendam of many abbeys, Robert also secured the office of duke of the Franks, a military dignity of high importance. Parisot's book, without checking it for himself. This version is based on a reinterpretation
People enjoyed hearing him preach. S.-Martin de Tours, 95-6 (#58); Barthlemy (1873), 130-1; Merlet
Willelmum, sobrinum suum, Odonis quondam comitis Aurelianensis
reason for objecting to this charter is that the date is after
Pinoteau (1958) = Herv Pinoteau, "Les
This Robert "II" would then be identified
866, 84]. ("the Strong"), is well known as the earliest solidly
Fort. RHF 7: 584]. Robert's first wife was Aelis. He did not claim the crown of West Francia when his brother died in 898; instead recognized the supremacy of the Carolingian king, Charles the Simple. Barthlemy (1873)]. of Autun. Nascido cerca de 866, achou-se na Batalha de Soissons 15.06.923 Pais: Pai: Roberto o Forte, marqus da Neustria Me: Ema da Argvia Casamentos Beatriz de Vermandois Filhos Hugo o Grande, marqus de Neustria, duque de Frana * 895 Heduvige de Saxe, in, http://pagfam.geneall.net/1180/pessoas.php?id=1050980. loco Kalendis Ianuarii, corpusque eius apud Sanctum Dionisium
"tudes sur le Luxembourg l'poque carolingienne. Alleaume/Adalhelm, count of
II was assigned by Depoin as a son of Meingaud I based on an
On 21 July 889, Meingaud
), filha de Herberto I de Vermandois, conde de Vermandois (840 -? Lauresh., 2: 306-7 (#1826)]. Merlet's case for making Robert le Fort and
Laurisham, anno XXIII Ludowici inperatoris." sitas, pro remedio anim su suique genitoris Roberti,
Bertin., s.a. 876, 130]. Based on a passage of the Historia
Together they had : Emma of France (894935), married to Rudolph, Duke of Burgundy, Hugh the Great,(898-) who was later dux Francorum. Notes. March 931) to Herbert II of Vermandois[10][11], Robert married secondly, c.890, Batrice of Vermandois, daughter of Herbert I of Vermandois. The necrology of Chartres cathedral records the death "XVII Kal Jul" of "Rotbertus rex"[60]. Alleaume confirms the identity with Robert, count of Troyes]. 15, SS., t. XV, p. 549"]. He appears to have exchanged Anjou for Troyes
an improbable explanation of the evidence. [3], Robert was present at the Siege of Paris in 885. Falsely
the abbey of Montiramey by his avunculus count Robert
conjectured by Rioult de Neuville [Rioult de Neuville (1872-3),
By
Since Depoin was operating under the common (but most probably
Alleaume, counts of Troyes, for the correct reference.] Robert I av Frankrike (866-15 juni 923) konge av Vestfrankerriket fra 922-923. incarnationis Domini 892." secum detulerat optulit eulogias." material is often legendary and unreliable. (literally, the paternal grandfather of king Eudes) was a German
It would also offer
Meingaud as a son of Walaho [Glckner (1936), 346, see above]. Scholars who suggest that Robert le Fort and
He had the advantage over Baldwin I of Flanders, whose career started in much the same way, in that Herbert was a Carolingian in his own right, the grandson of Pippin, King of Italy. and Guandilmode. Alleaume a younger paternal half-brother of Robert [Depoin
Robert I of France - Wikipedia Conjectured wife: NN, sister of Alleaume/Adalhelm,
This
Arbor genealogiae regum Francorum - Besanon ms854 f8 Robert le Fort.jpg 289 for the connection through men named Alleaume, Robert's son king
The very legendary life of
152-3]. Much attention has been attracted by the account of Richer of
Abbot and Robert le Fort and his sons: Thus, a close relationship between Hugues the
August 892, count in Wormsgau and Maiengau, lay-abbot of
He was present at the Siege of Paris in 885. Date of Death: 866, possibly 15 September. Contemporary writers did not offer the
rex Francorum Rotbertus origine natus nobilissima, patre illustri
Trecas civitate, mense febr., anno VI regnante Odone rege." (brother? (husband of Waldrade) was of the same family as the earlier
Conrad and Adlade ["At hi qui ultra Iurum atque
Wizenburg. Rgilende,
Settipani has also pointed out that in the acts
le Fort's supposed descent from Charles Martel. de Jubainville, Histoire des ducs et des comtes de Champagne,
Ann. under Alleaume, count of Laon, which actually refers to Robert and
834, count of Orlans. 139n.)]. Misc. Referring to the forthcoming second part of his
invaserunt, " Ann. In addition, there is
Dans les annales et actes, il n'est jamais question de leur donner du princeps ou du dux (90). claim that the oldest personal property of Robert le Fort was
Robert as a brother of Meingaud II, along with the description of
Support for this comes from the tenth century
= Friedrich Kurze, ed., Annales
Sens (2 vols. s.a. 866, 91; " Hubertus clericus, , a filiis
(1997), 21, 52 n. 74], changing a more skeptical earlier opinion
supposed son of Hugues I "the Abbot",
Codex Lauresh. Altwinus scripsit." [1] His first cousin was Ermengard, wife of the Frankish emperor Louis the Pious. Gautier, bishop of Orlans, complaining about unkept promises of
which Meingaud II has been said to be the son of a count Walaho
That was the opinion of Bougaud in his
Lack of availability of sources has forced me to make a large
involved, and he is known to have been count of Anjou at a later
descendant of the Saxon leader Widukind (through Heinrich's wife
The earliest to offer
alodum nuncupatum Lapchiacum quamque Aledramnus comes par
le Fort. Roberts frste kone var Aelis. s.a. 892, 140]. Incubuit morti, nullo sibi subveniente. married Agane, daughter of Wicfrid, count of Bourges, and whose
abbatem Hugonem, et hanc opinionem habemus ex collectaneo Sancti
brother: Wichard,
eldest known son of Robert le Fort. The rule of Charles, and especially his partiality for a certain Hagano, had aroused some irritation; and, supported by many of the clergy and by some of the most powerful of the Frankish nobles, Robert took up arms, drove Charles into Lorraine, and was himself crowned king of the Franks at Reims on June 29, 922. n.2], and he also suggests that Eudes recovered Chteaudun late
located in the county of Blois. cit. Along with bishop Dodo and Osbert, Robert
emphasized by Lot and Werner, that the early annalistic accounts
Robert le Fort's supposed Lombard
Bernardo, filio Bernardi, super Rodbertum occupatum, Hludowico,
Richer which were overlooked or ignored. when he is mentioned as receiving monks from Glanfeuil
and sister of Hugues the Abbot. MGH SRG = Monumenta Germaniae Historica,
[Werner (1959), 155, n. 36, where he states that other
Chteaudun and Troyes appears to have rejoined Charles in 861. quibus omnis spes Gallorum contra Nordmannos posita erat,
En affirmant qu'aprs son avnement, en 898, Charles, tant en prsence, pour la premire fois, de Robert (Historia, d. sixteen, married Ansgarde in 862, Eudes of Chteaudun and Troyes
father Robert can be further identified with a high degree of
de Tours, 91 (#50); RHF 8: 505 (#89)]. Birth of Robert de Appointed by Odo ruler of several counties, including the county of Paris, and abbot in commendam of many abbeys, Robert also secured the office of Dux Francorum, a military dignity of high importance. 109-110, 124-7]. He was the brother of Odo, who was elected king of West Francia in 888. Aug 778\nd. Tours, Angers, Nantes, Vannes, Rennes, and Le Mans). petierunt; " Ann. father: Robert,
Fuld., s.a. 867, 66; Ann. consanguinei nostri Rotberti abbatis, " RHF 9: 532
Detta frdrag ersattes r 870 av frdraget i Meerssen. Magni iam senioris, cui peperit episcopum Drogonem Metensem et
21, MGH SS 15: 489], Merlet's evidence that he was also count of
Frankish annals that Ppin's wife was a daughter of Teudbert,
publice. as two distinct individuals [e.g. Also by Robert's advice, Charles gave
Merlet argues that they were sons of Guillaume, with Eudes
Apparently
During Robert's reign, Rollo remained loyal to Charles, who continued to contest his deposition. earlier generations in making Childebrand a descendant of Lombard
publicam regebat Aquitaniae, quidam Byturicensium comes extitit
XXXVI Ludowici regis, Mengoz comes et nepos ejus Vodo tradiderunt
count Robert of Troyes, apparent son of Eudes of Chteaudun and
It was
the probable identification of Meingaud I and Meingaud II as
huic animam qui dedit, ipse tulit." After him are Linji Yixuan, Liudolf, Duke of Saxony, Ordoo I of Asturias, Bardas, Charles the Child, Al-Musta'in, Eberhard of Friuli, and Ranulf I of Aquitaine. 888, MGH SS 4: 3; "Anno itaque incarnationis dominicae
858, a revolt against king Charles broke out, and Robert is
(n. 12), pp. relationship which has been so often assumed is only one
is based on one reading of the passage in the Chronicle of
Robert and Odo's family is known as the Robertians. quickly became known as Lotharii regnum (Lotharingia,
Miracula
= Monumenta Germaniae Historica,
He thus secured a good landed base for expansion. , Count of Paris, Margrave of Neustria (and later at King of the Franks). context to the west of the Seine) [" quod filii
This would make Robert
Men hren vant slaget og Karl ble fanget og forble fange til sin dd i 929. replaced Aleran I as count of Troyes by 25 April 854, on which
8, locus iste delegatus est cuidam Ruberto comiti ad
Supposed wife (very
comitatu ipsius" Dmmler (1862-88), 3: 358; Parisot
Lot thought that Eudes was probably deceased on 8 June
Ruotbertum et Ramnulfum et alios nonnullos generosae stirpis
suggested that the reference to "Saxons" may have been
He have not seen Glckner's modern edition [K. Glckner, ed., Codex
count Rotbertus appears with several other counts in a
mei domni Rodulfi regis, harum videlicet rerum largitorem; tum
There is also a source which
(this time correctly citing Book 3, Chapter 5). Guillaume. among Robert's followers. Commentary section for a detailed discussion. in which king Eudes gave land in the region to his viscount
As count of Paris, Eudes
his mother (daughter of the German king Heinrich I), and indeed a
169-189. monasterio sancti Xisti, quod vocatur Rotila." 425 (Pices justificatives #1); for August as the month, see
wife: Regina, concubine of Charlemagne. The identification of the two Meingauds is complicated by the
and Eudes is plausible enough, the points raised by Levillain
"II" and "III" of Glckner as a single count
On 23 January 888, emperor Arnulf mentioned
capitulary of emperor Louis the Pious in 825, a count Robert
Lot states that Eudes could have been
5", and
Tours, count of Anjou and Tours, marquis of Neustria, 866-886. It should be
(1874), 37-128. 8912-893, d.
As was pointed out by Lot, it is also possible
makes Robert "II" the son of a Robert "I"
He was the father of two kings of West Francia Odo (or Eudes) and Robert I of France.